tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post2769785015569241509..comments2024-03-10T04:29:20.044-04:00Comments on Mad Genius Club: Flying the CoopSarah A. Hoythttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17478124095732219352noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-86984290572638835002010-11-12T21:37:12.861-05:002010-11-12T21:37:12.861-05:00Hi, Matapam. The whole gravity effects thing intri...Hi, Matapam. The whole gravity effects thing intrigues me. So little has been done on it - or at least I can't find anything. <br /><br />So no Chicken Coops on the ISS, eh:)Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-27241481169244932342010-11-12T21:35:47.843-05:002010-11-12T21:35:47.843-05:00Hi, Kate. Antigravity would indeed be cool, but pr...Hi, Kate. Antigravity would indeed be cool, but probably way out there in terms of the technology curve. But who knows?<br /><br />I agree we really need to get out there and learn by doing. Can't wait to see it happen. These little probes every decade are like death by a thousand cuts.Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-48368295853294896552010-11-12T21:10:42.310-05:002010-11-12T21:10:42.310-05:00Chris,
I recall experiments with chicken eggs. Th...Chris,<br /><br />I recall experiments with chicken eggs. The conclusion being that there was an early stage where gravity seemed to be crucial for the proper differentiation of cell types, as the blastocyst went from all identical cells to the beginning of systematic differences in the cytoplasm, leading to speciallized cell types.<br /><br />I think it was one of the early shuttle experiments, pre ISS. <br /><br />How much gravity the minimum is, whether spin or acceleration induced "artificial gravity" would substitute is something that needs to be studied. Along with radiation shielding.MataPamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11128604732495114033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-84243933654375780742010-11-12T21:05:24.121-05:002010-11-12T21:05:24.121-05:00We need to get the heck out there as fast as we ca...We need to get the heck out there as fast as we can, with whatever tech we have now and boost it on the fly.<br /><br />As Matapam said, most of the expenditure and research will happen here and will have benefits here. Plus, we're not going to <i>know</i> how humans adapt to living on a different planet with different gravity until people actually <i>do</i> it.<br /><br />Nor will we be able to really manage self-contained habitats until we're out there building them, living in them, and adapting them to what we encounter.<br /><br />In my view, one of the first things that needs to happen is to get a whole lot less risk-averse. If we're going to shut down space exploration whenever there's an accident, we'll never get anywhere.Kate Paulkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02034983693134240754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-10805439100720390072010-11-12T21:03:14.352-05:002010-11-12T21:03:14.352-05:00We need to get away from rockets. They limit us, b...We need to get away from rockets. They limit us, badly.<br /><br />I'm hoping for a breakthrough on something like antigravity. Once we can warp the shape of space and fall off of the Earth, anything becomes possible. Take off, move to Mars, land and take off, head for the asteroids, assay a dozen, and push one into a smaller orbit for later retrieval, return to rock hopping, shove another into a short orbit, drop down and intercept the first and steer it into a very careful, minimum delta V Drop on to the Greenland reentry zone, land and go out for dinner... Take a week's vacation before you have to head back to work and steer the other rock for the zone.<br /><br />That's when you've got the ability to go anywhere, and do anything.<br /><br />Better rockets just improve access to earth orbit.MataPamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11128604732495114033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-16598508430733709732010-11-12T20:12:52.135-05:002010-11-12T20:12:52.135-05:00Hi Chris. I'll try and find it again. I can&...Hi Chris. I'll try and find it again. I can't even remember where I originally found it. :(C Kelseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-74799420359144925752010-11-12T18:01:40.681-05:002010-11-12T18:01:40.681-05:00Hi, Linda. It is really exciting to think of those...Hi, Linda. It is really exciting to think of those unknown technologies entering our lives. We have a lot of technological refinement at the moment - but no quantum leaps. If you think of 1980 Vs 1990 - man the change in how we lived was amazing! Internet, personal computers, mobile phones, faxes. From 1990 to 2010 its just been more of the same, just smaller and faster and in more pretty colours.<br /><br />What could the next leap be?Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-76725670284779374212010-11-12T17:59:08.873-05:002010-11-12T17:59:08.873-05:00Hey, Jim. Gret point! The cost of NOT going is a r...Hey, Jim. Gret point! The cost of NOT going is a really good perspective for counter-argument. The incredible technological spin-offs from the moonrace support than in hard $$s. But as you say, it goes well beyond that - if you look at the exponential growth of energy usage (even if population stabilises), we need to get out there and start accessing the He3 for Fusion!Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-73519860231425820242010-11-12T17:56:07.533-05:002010-11-12T17:56:07.533-05:00Hi, Sarah. Spoken like a true partisan of the revo...Hi, Sarah. Spoken like a true partisan of the revolution. Viva La Space! Where do I sign up?Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-18326236172717560462010-11-12T17:54:49.432-05:002010-11-12T17:54:49.432-05:00Hi, Matapam. I agree. I think that is one of the t...Hi, Matapam. I agree. I think that is one of the traps of the whole argument - it is not an Either/Or scenario. There is plenty of money wasted all over the place.<br /><br />The Nuclear Thermal Rocket is achievable right now and would be a great little workhorse for the solar system. For getting off Earth a solid core rocket with hydrogen propellant gets more than 8000 m/s impulse - that leaves the oxygen/hydrogen chemical system at ~3600 m/s for dead.Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-66366993388203480542010-11-12T17:50:57.607-05:002010-11-12T17:50:57.607-05:00Hey, Chris. That sounds fascinating. I'd love ...Hey, Chris. That sounds fascinating. I'd love to have a look at that if you have the link. Man I hope you are right! That means I get to see it (fingers crossed) in my lifetime - even if I have to watch it from old tatty armchair with legwarmers:)Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-34594812056332467842010-11-12T17:47:57.612-05:002010-11-12T17:47:57.612-05:00Hi, Brendan. I agree I think keeping the DeltaV lo...Hi, Brendan. I agree I think keeping the DeltaV low for resource extractin will be the key. Perhaps a combination of low speed robotic missions and easy asteroid targets? I've never seen anything on the feasibiity of asteroid mining, but the lower gravity would seem to make it energy friendly.<br /><br />20 years for the space elevator? I would add another zero onto that - 200 years, if the materials are solveable. Do you have any links you can throw me on the materials development?Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-64469506163413819072010-11-12T17:44:49.854-05:002010-11-12T17:44:49.854-05:00Hi, Mike. Yes they are, but can you tell which one...Hi, Mike. Yes they are, but can you tell which ones are the aliens?Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-88651146850092924202010-11-12T17:44:17.050-05:002010-11-12T17:44:17.050-05:00Hi, John. There is always seven-of-nine from Voyag...Hi, John. There is always seven-of-nine from Voyager:)Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-56576376435164020152010-11-12T17:43:36.801-05:002010-11-12T17:43:36.801-05:00Hi, John. I think the low gravity and zero gravity...Hi, John. I think the low gravity and zero gravity effects on biological systems is one of the biggest hurdles that no one seems to talk about. Having said that, they have managed to keep people on the ISS in resonable health for up to 6 months through exercise and medication. The proposed Mars mission is for 6 months during. What I haven't seen discussed is the additive effect of the lower gravity of Mars for the planned 18 months after that, then the 6 months return.<br /><br />I suspect that low gravity pregnancy, even at Mars gravity, will be really problematic. Have you seen anything on pregnancy studies in low gravity, John? LIke on the ISS?Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-92198346169585500942010-11-12T17:40:34.431-05:002010-11-12T17:40:34.431-05:00Ohmigod, Rowena! You meant you don't have a fl...Ohmigod, Rowena! You meant you don't have a flying car? That is so seventies:)Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-43286960321680581082010-11-12T17:39:16.833-05:002010-11-12T17:39:16.833-05:00Hi, Chris L. I have very much the same feeling abo...Hi, Chris L. I have very much the same feeling about the need to go out and explore, it is certainly something core with me. I'm not sure how many people share that.<br /><br />I agree on the other issues. There is not reason that we cannot work on both fronts - I think that is one of the major holes in the whole argument against. There is nothing stopping us from fixing our local problems and getting out there. Let's face it a LOT of money is spent on other stuff right now - Defence for example - or maintaining nuclear stockpiles.<br /><br />As for the dictator's job - It's like I always said, what we need is a benevolent dictatorship, but noone wants to give me the job:)Chris McMahonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17883058490702361466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-77572005255456207792010-11-12T13:02:24.740-05:002010-11-12T13:02:24.740-05:00I agree with both sides of the argument, but the r...I agree with both sides of the argument, but the reason that the "expand" argument wins with me is that so much of our current technology is a result of space research and exploration. Who'd have guessed all the nifty things that are all now a part of our daily lives began as a part of the space program? And who knows what nifty things are still awaiting their discovery. Maybe one of those things is a cure for our planetary problems. We won't know until we get there.<br /><br />LindaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-32081782796301314342010-11-12T11:02:20.871-05:002010-11-12T11:02:20.871-05:00I think we need to go. This planet is only so big ...I think we need to go. This planet is only so big and the human race is expanding at an ever increasing rate. It will be necessary to get resources somewhere else soon and space is the only option.<br /><br />The thing that people who complain about the cost of space exploration forget about is the cost of NOT going. Talking about starvation and poverty is never easy, nor is finding a solution to the problem. How many more people will we lose to the same causes if the planet becomes resource depleted though? How many people are we willing to sacrifice in the future to save people in the present?Jim McCoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12524898692671838600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-82465889377327072792010-11-12T09:43:22.688-05:002010-11-12T09:43:22.688-05:00A species must expand or die. The cogniscenti tel...A species must expand or die. The cogniscenti tell me ours deserve to, but being human (no, I DON'T think THEY are) I'll cheer for humans and being a mother (at least everyone tells me that) I'll cheer for my genetics.<br /><br />Go humans! (Waves pompoms) Leave the basket where we were eggs and expand. The more places we are the harder to kill.Sarah A. Hoythttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17478124095732219352noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-69904873832124650502010-11-12T08:55:06.281-05:002010-11-12T08:55:06.281-05:00Problems to be overcome for space exploration:
(1...Problems to be overcome for space exploration:<br /><br />(1) Getting out of a gravity well routinely.<br /><br />(2) Self sufficient mini-ecology for atmosphere and water recycling.<br /><br />(3) Sustained drive for maneuvering asteroids and building up velocities.<br /><br />Now, mind you, FTL would be nice, but if you can keep up a 1/10th G acceleration more or less indefinitely, you’ll get places soon enough for practical purposes.<br /><br /><br />Problems to be overcome to Save The Earth:<br /><br />(1) Nuclear power for concentrated needs.<br /><br />(2) Solar power for homes, especially important in the third world where desertification is being driven by the need for cooking fuel. In parts of the world that lack a regional electric grid, it’s even cost effective. Although not compared to just letting people live hand to mouth, cooking over twigs.<br /><br />(3) [Insert rational, intelligent discussion of the climate] (In the unlikely event you can find one) Admit that petroleum is a finite resource and the above suggestions will be necessary _sometime_ no matter what a brief uptick in the CO2 does, or doesn’t do, to the climate.<br /><br />The thing is, all the money that is spent on space gets spent down here on Earth. It pays everyone from the brilliant scientist to the practical engineer to the refinery workers to the miners grubbing the rare ores out of the ground. It provides jobs all the way up and down, leaks support jobs and will even make the solar panels cheaper, more efficient, and more available.<br /><br />We can pick both, if we want to.MataPamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11128604732495114033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-47067434499078135542010-11-12T08:25:30.456-05:002010-11-12T08:25:30.456-05:00I read a great article on Moore's law a couple...I read a great article on Moore's law a couple weeks ago. Before going into how Moore related the development curves to computer processors, the concept was actually from a 1950's US Air Force study. The study was mind blowing. The Air Force looked at the amount of money spent on technology and how quickly technology developed. The conclusion? Provided enough money, technology would develop at insane rates. They started plotting just for aviation. Man's first flight. WWI. Record breaking flights. WWII flights. Breaking the speed of sound, etc. Then they projected where things *should* go based on previous trends. Using that curve they predicted the rough time we should have our first satellite. Sputnik hit exactly as predicted. Part of why we *knew* we could go to the moon before 1970 was that the curve said we could. The really cool thing is that going to the stars was on that plot too. We should be there in the next 50 years or so if the law is true. So, we should go because we can. And ultimately I think we *will* go because technology is already on that path.C Kelseynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-208144736291529852010-11-12T08:16:02.419-05:002010-11-12T08:16:02.419-05:00We are just developing the materials with the tens...We are just developing the materials with the tensile strength to allow the building of space needles which seems to be the only practical long term solution to escaping our gravity well. My guess is it will be twenty or so years before we get enough serious infrastructure to make proper exploration possible though and I think we should be looking at asteroids as our main priority since they will be easiest source of resources for our eventual expansion.Brendanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12290731721638936110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-57387764118752538062010-11-12T08:08:26.362-05:002010-11-12T08:08:26.362-05:00John? They're making a fortune doing music vid...John? They're making a fortune doing music videos, I think?Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01422171964652699673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4940224740718934743.post-24000339472330170342010-11-12T07:55:42.035-05:002010-11-12T07:55:42.035-05:00Dear Rowenna - and ladies in skin tight uniforms -...Dear Rowenna - and ladies in skin tight uniforms - whatever happened to that promise.John Lambsheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04598696442104566164noreply@blogger.com